Learning to use Web 2.0 sites properly is well worth the effort and is the quickest and easiest way to get your website on page 1 in Google and other search engines."

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I wonder if you read my original post at all. I stated that driving search engine traffic to your website is a two step process that starts with SEO. This is extremely important and anything else you do without it will not result in increased search engine traffic, but it is only one step in getting ranked higher in the search engines.

Conversely, if you do ONLY SEO without getting some quality incoming links, you will not drive any significant traffic to your site.

No one knows exactly what Google's algo is for determining SERP position (it's a closely guarded secret), but the experts agree that the 2 most important things to rank high in search engine results are 1) SEO and 2) quality incoming one-way links, as I stated in my first post.

As far as Web 2.0 is concerned, I was merely pointing out that it is the easiest, quickest way to get those quality incoming links. It DOES help your ranking in the SEs, and without quality one-way links, you will never achieve page 1 on Google.

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Flaming isn't fun!

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"The concept of "Web 2.0" began with a conference brainstorming session between O'Reilly and MediaLive International. Dale Dougherty, web pioneer and O'Reilly VP, noted that far from having "crashed", the web was more important than ever, with exciting new applications and sites popping up with surprising regularity. What's more, the companies that had survived the collapse seemed to have some things in common. Could it be that the dot-com collapse marked some kind of turning point for the web, such that a call to action such as "Web 2.0" might make sense? We agreed that it did, and so the Web 2.0 Conference was born." (from the Oreilly blog at oreilly.com)

Essentially, Web 2.0 was a term coined at that conference to describe the transition between the old static websites and the new interactive websites, which started with blogs and then grew into sites such as FaceBook and MySpace. Then even taking it a step further, now you can share homemade videos online.

That's what is meant by Web 2.0

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Thanks, Moe. Just trying to be helpful!

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Sweetie, I made page one on all the major SE's two years ago with zero one way links. My site was a PR0 at that time. And I STILL hold the number one page positions in Google, Yahoo, Bing and Ask.com to this day, for my customer targeted keywords. My site is very successful.

I know exactly the kind of PROPER SEO it takes for the SE's. I have helped plenty of LR members (for free) get their sites in a good SERP position - with NO I repeat NO incoming links. Web 2.0 is a marketing ploy ! I know for a fact it is. I am not some newbie webmaster here !!!!!!

Again, I will state that your original post is self promotion for your software. Self promotion is allowed ONLY in the General Forum area, not this forum.

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Web 2.0 is not just a marketing ploy. As with any marketing system, it requires some effort, at first anyway, but it works well when done properly.

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check my website campuspep.com

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Oh please, right, I'm going to go to a health site to help me with rankings. (sigh) If you know something we don't, then just share it on the forum rather than spamming?

I'm just learning about Web 2.0; so, I've never used it, nor do I have a lot of links. I also believe I heard that Google will no longer be relying on links. Anybody else here this?

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You are 100% correct about google and links, Cres. Matt Cutts announced that this summer about links clogging their SE. They are taking extreme measures now to find sites ( through their big bot and spiders) with to many links and bad neighborhood links. And google does not give SERP positions through PR ( one way links). The SE algo is not designed, nor functions that way. For William to say the SE algo's use the assumption of linking in their forumla is a bunch of BS !!!! Linking has no part in the SE algo. Matter of fact when google assigns a PR# to a site they do not use their SE algo for that. It is done separately and at certain times of the year.

Web 2.0 has been a marketing " buzz" word for a few years now, saying that Links will get you a good SERP position, when in fact it is nothing but a Ponzi scheme!! LOL, I used to have those web 2.0 marketers call my office about 3 times a week. Of course it is the same speal - " for so much money....yada yada, it's the new wave of the google SE future yada yada... just give me your money yada, yada.... you get the idea. Funny thing is, after all this time google still does not put any credence to the web 2.0 and the new version web 3.0 ( guess web 2.0 is obsolete).

Cres, the bottom line is, You and I know that PR does not get you traffic. Your traffic comes from the SERP. Linking is an old SEO Guru method.

Linking has it's place and is used for other purposes, BUT it has nothing to do with the SE's.

If you optimize your site properly, you can find yourself in an excellent SERP position in no time. LOL, I have helped plenty of LR members optimize their sites properly and within weeks they receive a good SERP position. I know what I am talking about - William does not !

Cres, here is a good article that tells you about the Link- Ponzi- Pyramid- web 2.0 scheme :

http://www.searchenginejournal.com/old-scams-come-in-new-disguises-link-ponzi-web-20/5358/

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i sure could do with that kinda help

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Hi Ian,

Just send me an email thru LR and we will see what we can do to get your SEO started. I will teach you the fundamentals that needs to be applied to your site pages ( not hard, just some work).

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This site was just piggy-backing off the buzz about Web 2.0. As far as I could tell, there was no new technology there.

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Linking is a tried and true strategy. It really works, but only if you use quality one-way back links.

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Got to agree with Robert on this one. Not to disrespect anyone here, but Web 2.0 is nothing more than another money maker that someone dreamed up.

I have gotten tons of phone calls in the last couple of months. One in particular was about 3 months ago. At the time, I held the #1 position on Google for one of my keywords. The gentleman that was trying to "sell" me on Web 2.0 told me that that didn't matter....if I wanted better traffic results, I needed Web 2.0. I didn't know whether to laugh or ask him if he was on drugs. What do you need Web 2.0 for if you are on page 1 of the SE's? You DON'T. I let him finish talking and in the end, he told me that for JUST $3,000 he could build me a blog with quality, relevant links to my site. It is a money maker for someone, unfortunately, not the folks that are told they will get tons of traffic because of it. Just my thoughts.

There is NO substitute for proper SEO. Period.

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Exactly my point. I am not trying to disrespect anyone, but all this web 2.0 being dropped around here but not saying what it is. 99% of webmasters here have no idea what WEB 2.0 is. And truth is you don't need to know. Just build your website with good SEO and you will do well. LOL Maybe I should start a new buzz word.. SEO 4.0!

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That is NOT web 2.0! that is common sense and any good webmaster already does that.

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Well....it's reserved for Google itself XD

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Once again, Web 2.0 is NOT a marketing term. It is a term that was coined at a convention to describe the direction the Internet was headed. It refers to sites such as FaceBook, MySpace and YouTube, among many others. It's about sites that use new technologies to bring people across the Internet together in a much more interactive way than ever before (see my previous post).

It really is quite amazing what technology can do these days.

If you want to know more about what the term Web 2.0 means and how it was coined, just visit:

http://oreilly.com/web2/archive/what-is-web-20.html

Read the article and decide for yourself whether Web 2.0 refers to new technologies and user interaction or if it is just a marketing term.

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I agree with you 100% that if you have #1 ranking in Google for your keyword, then what the hell do you need Web 2.0 for? You don't. Certain types of sites can get there without using Web 2.0 or back linking, and if you already are, then you don't need this.

I am trying to help those people who are trying to get to Page 1 on Google but have a long ways to go.

I also agree that SEO is absolutely necessary, as I stated in my original post. But if you have a one or 2 page site, chances are SEO alone simply won't cut it. For those types of sites, you absolutely MUST concentrate on getting good quality one-way back links.

The fastest and easiest way to do this is with Web 2.0 marketing. It doesn't matter whether you think it is just a marketing ploy. Fact is, Web 2.0 referees to user interactive sites like, once again, FaceBook, MySpace, YouTube and many others.

Learning how to use these types of sites properly will generate a lot of traffic and greatly improve you Google rank IF you are not already on page 1.

Call it what you want, but using Web 2.0 sites is still the quickest and easiest way to get quality back links and greatly improve your Google SERP ranking.

To learn more about the origins of Web 2.0, visit:

http://oreilly.com/web2/archive/what-is-web-20.html

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Hope this helps! :-)

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That's absolutely true. It takes applied effort to achieve and maintain a page 1 ranking.

The first thing you must do is educate yourself and the second thing you must do is apply what you learned. There really is no short-cut.

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Fine then, so stop calling it web 2.0. Call it social linking and network strategies. More people here will understand what you are saying. I have nothing against linking and I do believe social bookmarking and user interface like face book and my space have a role. But I do have a problem with some people here on LR that say all you need is links, (no you did not say it) But there are a few that are, and wouldn't you know, their site sales .....LINKS! I hate bad and confusing info that can cause a newbie webmaster to go off chasing fairies. So please, instead of using web 2.0, just call it what it really is. Linking strategies.

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I to would love to learn as much as I can to help bring attention to my site (specifically my pages about saving leatherback turtles).

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Hi Sharon,

Send me an email through LR. It will be a couple of weeks till I will be able to help you, since I am working with Ian and a couple of other LR members right now.

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:)

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washable dog bed , washable dog beds, sleep ezz dog beds, cratewear sets ( have multiple page positions on page one in google for cratewear sets).

And please don't stop at just page one on Google, I also have positions in Bing, Yahoo and Ask.com

my site has DAILY SALES - Makes money , honey !!!!

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A rose by any other name...

Honestly, I had no idea using the term Web 2.0 would be such a hot button.

You are correct in saying it is about social linking and network strategies. Social bookmarking and social networking are the backbone of what is referred to as Web 2.0 strategies, but since it seems to be such a hot issue for some people, I will refrain from using the term "Web 2.0".

Linking strategies (better? :) should be a part of your overall marketing strategy, but not the only part.

My site is about learning the proper way to use social bookmarking and social networking as a means to develop quality one-way back links and improving your SERP ranking. It absolutely is NOT about selling links. Which, by the way, I STRONGLY caution you to be wary of because if you buy the wrong type of links, it can actually hurt your SERP ranking.

There's an old saying: "You can give a man a fish and feed him for the day, or you can teach him to fish" (or something like that).

That's what it is all about, learning how to fish and not just taking hand-outs or looking for a quick fix.

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Great then we can agree. I have nothing against linking and social bookmarking. But their are some hear at LR that try to promote linking solely for their own profit and try to convince people that only by buying their links can they get to the top of google, and they use terms like web 2.0 to make it sound like hey you got to keep up the web is changing and unless you buy my software or my links you will never get to the top. I am happy to see you are NOT one of those. It is not the concept I have a problem with, when you explain your ideas to people that's one thing, but when people use terms that most webmasters do not know of, it sets up a situation where one person can then have a unfair advantage over another less informed, get what I mean? I want everyone to learn the right things to do, there are so many ignorant people here on LR regurgitating clickbank ebook gurus and 90's SEO tactics that do not work, And then we have the people here that have multiple names and accounts who I have called out on giving blatant wrong info, and they open multiple accounts to attack me and call me a con, to make it look like many people are in disagreement with me, and if you look closely, it is people selling links, or traffic exchanges.

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I have always been about helping people help themselves. I spend a lot of time and effort keeping up-to-date with the latest in Internet marketing, what works, what doesn't. I don't want to be one of those that spread false or out-dated info.

I don't have a problem with people disagreeing with me about what the best way to drive traffic to a website is. What bothers me is when someone absolutely insists that THEIR way is the ONLY way. Sure, it may work for THEIR website. If the keywords they are targeting have little competition, and their site is a multi-page site with constant content updates, then yeah, it is easy to get a page 1 ranking, even without backlinking. But that doesn't mean it works for ALL websites, just theirs.

If the keywords you are targeting are more competitive or if the niche you are in is highly competitive then it will be much more difficult to get Google traffic. That's where developing a good linking strategy comes in. Good quality backlinks definitely help get your site noticed by the SEs.

I have always said that getting Google traffic begins with SEO, which, actually begins with selecting the proper keyword, then the proper domain name and then optimizing your web page.

After all of that is done, then it is time to make your website known to the SEs so people can find your site. That's where having quality backlinks comes in.

By far, the best way to generate quality backlinks is by doing it yourself. That way you can ensure you will get good quality backlinks.

I would not recommend using services or software to generate backlinks unless you absolutely know where the backlinks are coming from. If the software or service just sets up links on link farms or other low-quality web pages, then it could seriously damage your SERP ranking, or worse yet, get you banned from Google altogether.

Better safe than sorry. I would always recommend that people set up their own backlinks on quality web sites and not rely on services or software.

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Well in all seriousness, then maybe you can convert me.I have one site that I have tried and tried to optimize to no avail. PM me, and lets talk. If your way can help me on this one site, I will gladly sign your praises.

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Robert,

LR doesn't seem to have a very good way to contact fellow members. I send an email to you through LR, so check your inbox. I hope you got it but I couldn't even tell if it was being sent to the right person. Let me know.

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Please help me to get Top 10 in google rank

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I suggest you go to the Google forums and read their lastest updates on one way linking ( PR).

They have even gotten rid of the PR feature on Webmaster Central Tools, because they ( google) do not want people to think that google see's PR ( one way linking) as a determining factor for their SE results page.

Google has made MAJOR CHANGES this summer concerning ALL links ( forward, one way ( backlinking)and reciprocal links) in their SE. Keep on believing the OLD standards, Dave. I will take the information Google put's out, not the obsolete information YOU put out. You are way behind the times.

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LOL, James ! You and I must of been on the same web 2.0 marketing tele list. And the $3,000.00 figure is about the same that they told me. The funniest thing is that they told me my site was not in the SERP. When in fact it was on page one for a multitude of keywords/phrases. And I got there doing MY OWN SEO for FREE !!!!!

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ok thanks anyone else?

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First, select a good keyword phrase for your site that doesn't have a ton of competition, then do your SEO for your site.

Once you have done that, then you can concentrate on creating quality backlinks. For more information on how to do that, go to my website and download the 4 free videos to help get you started.

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Thanks Michael and Pamela - I'm going to check this out right away ! By the way - great website you have there ! Thanks a million... :-)

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If only it were as simple as a few easy steps.

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As I do not trust some people here on LR I will PM you the keywords I rank on and on what SE's if you like, The only thing I would ask is that you not publish the URL's of my sites. Deal?

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It realy often is just a few steps.

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