What does search engines love? Any insights guys or tips that would help a lot of people here."

5) depending on your site age and the keywords you have chosen, time can also be a factor. So Patience is always a key to success on the net.

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sorry but your wrong. The SE's don't like spammy sites like yours !

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Plus he is saying lots of links to your site will get you tons of traffic and high Search engine rankings lol

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No you are wrong. One way links are for PR. A PR# does not get you a SERP position. They are two different things. You can have a PR0 and still hold a number one position in the search engine results page for your keywords.

Man, so many of you people just work backwards and wonder why your sites never show up on page one !!!!

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And if you want to get the right visitors to your web site from search engines, then you need to target the right keywords with your web site. The reason for this is that: keywords will 'tell' search engines what your web site is about and they will then display your web site in its results following a search for those same keywords you have targeted.

This in turn means that people using your targeted keywords in a search will be interested in what your site has to offer because your site will be displayed in the results.

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Hey Atteestude,

I am so sorry about my reply to you. I replied to the wrong reply !!! Twas a hard day yesterday and not enough caffeine . Again I am sorry and that reply was not at all directed to you.

Matter of fact, I agree with your post!

Heidi ( Go-Green) you are spot on again. I agree with you too !!!

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Yes , I agree, yesterday was a strange day. My reply in this topic was not an attack on you. Every night I read the forums to learn what others know, and some times try to help answer a question, like so many do. What frustrate me is that when someone with the best intentions wants to help someone else end up having there words shoved back down there throats, or when someone ask a question, they are made to feel like idiots, that bothers me. I like Linkreferral and the people here and it saddens me to see such abuse here.

My comment in this topic did need correcting, I said links instead of backlinks. I still stand by my comment. search engines do love backlinks and many of them, as well as sites that are updated with new content often, these are only two suggestions of many. As for my second reply, I am sure you will agree with me, there are some sites that you would be afraid to trust much less send money to , or you can tell what kind of customer service you will get just by how they act here on Linkreferral. As for your site, love it, it looks professional so I know what you have to say here is to be true and trusted, I try to read all your post because I know what you have to say is useful.

I hope I am forgiven by all for my random outburst.

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But thats just my two cents.

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Your two cents is not worth 1/2 penny !!!

Not one person has stated that they optimize for 100 plus keywords. You are the one totally clueless about SEO , even mouthing something as daft as that.

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Thanks for your two centavos, and thinks for showing everyone how clueless you are. No one is talking about optimizing for 100 keywords, jeez! But I can tell you with all certainty, Links NEVER, NEVER got ANY site to the top SERP of Google. They may have hundreds of back-links, or even thousands of back-links, but that is NOT why they are at the top. These sites that are number one and have "Hundreds" of keywords as you say, are large stores and corporations who do not need to optimize their sites for SERP because they PAY for their SERP placements and trademarks. The hundreds of links coming in are NOT sites linking to that store, but are hundreds of affiliate links that are linking to that store. I have affiliates links linking to Kmart, WalMart, Circuit city and others. I do not understand why some people want to actualy put in print what they do not understand. LOL and they call others fools? ROFL! I see you had to change your name, whats the matter, did you get banned because of your abusive language your outright wrong info you were spreading before? You can change your name, but you can not change your ip. Funny the only people who ever have trouble with the truth about SEO are those promoting and sailing link exchanges and traffic exchange sites. But you can not explain why sites with NO links coming in and a PR0 are on page one of Google for good phrases, and yet they beat out sites that have a higher PR and sites with hundreds of links. The only thing you can do is attack the messenger sense you can not destroy the message. Create a diversion and point fingers and try to confuse people with accusations about comments that were never made, so please kind sir, tell me again who is clueless?

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My response was for Bruce Almighty. Who wants to convince people they need hundreds of links to be on Google page one. As soon as he shows me a site that is not optimized, but only has hundreds of links that got that site to the top I will believe, But as it is, I can show sites with little or no links that are number one on google. Now would you let people believe all they need to do is link, and waste valuable time? Or get them to start SEO as early as possible and be successful?

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Hi Atteestude,

Robert is correct with his SEO replies. There is a difference between an opinion and someone blatantly giving out false information. The false information will get your site no where in the SE's.

The information from Bruce is 100% false. All Bruce is trying to do is promote his linking site. There are plenty of PR0 sites on page one for their keywords and they actually beat out sites with a PR5.

PR has NOTHING to do with how you are placed in the search engine results page !!!!

The is a big difference between PR and SERP. SERP is the search engine results page. And no you DO NOT need links or a PR# to show up on the page one of the SERP for your keywords. Anyone that states otherwise is giving out bad/false information.

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I say to you prove to me what you claim because I know for a fact that is not possible and if you show me otherwise, I will show you exactly how many links they "truly" have coming in. A website will not and cannot have 0 incoming links and be listed on google. period.

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Its not because of linking. Your SERPs you mentioned are very specific keyword phrases. You did not get your serp for linking. The only way you can get a serp for these keyword phrases is because these phrases are found in your content, title or description. Also Google can find relevance to words and can even determine the phrase blog4bucks and blogforbucks as being relevant. Excuse me, but for a person who thinks they know what they are doing you sure need to learn a lot about search engines. also what you say are keywords that are NOT related to your site that you are ranking a high SERP on, If would do some research you would find out that Google also uses snippets. with in any snippet Google takes it may see the words you say have nothing to do with your site, even though those words are not next to each other, and if a single can score high if it is not a very competitive keyword. so within googles snapshot of your contents It has seen these phrase you say have NOTHING to do with your content. I have to laugh for a second, this is the reason why a good Meta Keyword Tag is important, People say Google does not use them, they are wrong, they do not use them any more to sort your SERP, but they do use them to determine what YOU think your main phrases are. Without them you can get some very interesting SERP's. This is very funny. You have obviously been very very lucky to blindly stumble into your SEO and thinking it is all about links. I have nothing against you selling your links to people, but I do have a problem with people misrepresenting the truth. The truth is that only proper ON PAGE SEO will get you high SERPS in ANY search engine. Links are good for increasing PageRank only. For me I don't bother with linking, My PR0 sites are already on page one and many in position 1

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Excellent reply Robert !!! And spot on !!

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GD SPAM

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LOL that too

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Amit - you are on the Spammers Wall of Shame.

Really hope LR Mike uses that " magic twanger" to get rid of you !

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P.S they are not talking about PR either :o)

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Not anymore ! A google update that was stated on 10-14-09, Google will/has gotten rid of the PR on their google webmaster tools. While it will stay on their toolbar for a while, until further notice, it is not to be a determining factor on how you will be placed in the SE's. Page rank distribution has nothing to do with how you are placed in the SE's results page.

As Quoted by, Susan Moskwa a Google employee, on 10-14-09 in Googles Webmaster Central ( found the thread in the SE Roundtable forum) :

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10/14/09

Best answer - Susan Moskwa (Google Employee)

" We've been telling people for a long time that they shouldn't focus on PageRank so much; many site owners seem to think it's the most important metric for them to track, which is simply not true. We removed it because we felt it was silly to tell people not to think about it, but then to show them the data, implying that they should look at it. :-)". End Quote.

Now the bottom line is that PR is calculated by one way links. To get a good SERP placement, you do not need links. There are plenty of sites within the page one SERP's that prove that. My own site received a page one SERP placement two years ago when it was a PR0 ( had NO LINKS). My site was also indexed approximately 3 weeks after it was first published and it had ZERO links at that time.

My site has held steadfast in the page one SERP's for over two years now , starting with a PR0, then PR1 and it is only a measly PR2 now. LINKS determine your PR# - LINKS DO NOT DETERMINE your SE placement. Time to get the facts straight. The only time links are a determining factor in the SE's placement is if your site HAS BAD LINKS, whether they are forward, reciprocal or one way ( backlinks) !!!!!

A lot of seasoned webmasters already know this, as well as Google itself, that the information in Google webmaster central and in analytics is not all up to date. You have to go to the Google forums to find all the updates announced by google, Or just keep track of the updates from Matt Cutts ( w/google).

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It does not matter what even google says Lola. People will simply just not Liston. You can tell them till you are blue in the face and they will continue to believe it is all about getting links and PR Google ha not used PR in their algo for at least two years. I do not know why they still have that quote Bruce gave on their webmaster central. But like you said most of my sites have no links to it at all, PR0 and still receive good daily traffic from google's page one SERP. Back in the earlier part of this decade, Google stopped really relying on PR as a ranking criteria, when it was discovered how easy PR was manipulated by different link scams like three way linking, and auto linking. I guess Google for some reason wanted some webmasters (newbies) to believe it was still part of their ranking for some reason.

What I am worried about is their new algo that ignores rel=nofollow, They say they will take into consideration sites with heavy advertising when they compute the serps though, maybe Google algo even when it sees the links will not count them as prestige given to the link?

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Yes. Robert you are correct about the new Google updates about the " no follow" tags. Matt Cutts stated that " some" advertisers are the exception to the rule. I am sure he is speaking of the advertisers that pay Google on an annual basis for google SE advertising.

Matt Cutts also stated the reason why they reprogrammed the google SE, big bot and spiders to over-ride the no follow tags is because links are/have clog up their SE, thus giving their SE user unreliable results. Matt Cutts further stated that in the near future the SE, big bot and spiders will more than likely be re-programmed to over all no follow tags on all pages to find hidden link pages. Google is going full force to clean up their SE of unnecessary links.

Most do not realize that ALL SE's are for the user and that is the SE's priority - the user, not websites. That is why the algo's are formulated for keyword order not for web site order. That is why PR ( linking, unless bad linking) is not a deciding factor in the SE's. Keywords are the deciding factor. LOL, now that is another subject - one that is complicated, but one subject you are well versed on already.

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